The totally useless thread.


AusDoc

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OK Jack. I'm glad you at least tried. :)

Try this one then. I'll put more into it and that should give the game away. What's this about then?

I Met Jello Dachshund
Toms Candied Jell Huh
Jellos Addict Men Huh
Dachshund Jello Time
A Dutch Hedonism Jell
A John Shelled Dictum
A Dull Techs Demijohn
Johns Decimated Hull
Medicated John Hulls
Jaundiced Hell Moths
Jaundiced Helm Sloth
A Jolted Smiled Hunch
A Misled Jolted Hunch
A Cults Held Demijohn
John Hill Decade Must
Jut Ohm Ascended Hill
Decades Till John Hum
Most Candied Jell Huh
Hot Candied Jell Hums
Some Candled Jilt Huh
John Hilt Scalded Emu
Hello Him Just Danced
Jolt Danced Miles Huh
Danced Hi Jells Mouth
Candid Jello Mesh Hut
Candid Jello Met Hush
Men Jello Addicts Huh
John Heel Slum Addict
Addict Menu Hell Josh
John Muse Addict Hell
Shell Addict June Ohm
Hells Addict John Emu
Hush Men Jello Addict
Aced John Litmus Held

So, can anyone here work out these mind puzzles? FXGears members should find them easy. (That's a hint BTW.)

Go on, have a go. Put your brain to work. :D

If everyone gives in you're gonna kick yourselves when you stop groaning... >:D
 

AusDoc

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So, no more takers for the challenge? No solutions to posts 98 and 101?

What strategy or strategies did you use? Or, more simply, how did you approach the problem?

How observant and/or analytical are you? Do you recognise patterns? How deeply do you look for them? Do you overly complicate things or not penetrate deeply enough?

Did you notice, for instance, that every line contains the same number of the same letters? Or did you get stuck on the words or phrases?

Has this post given you enough extra help to enable you to find the solutions? :-\
 

AusDoc

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A T T E N T I O N Everyone...

The challenge has been met. Hopi solved the puzzles of posts 98 and 101 in this thread.

Congratulations to Hopiplaka!

You can see it here: http://fxgears.com/forum/index.php/topic,374.msg6162.html#msg6162

I can finally say how ironically funny I thought Nil Red Cent Carrier was as an anagram of Inner Circle Trader. :))

Thanks to everyone who played. Special thanks to Jack who posted his frustration. You're a good sport Jack :thumbsup:

Anyway... we can now resume normal operation of The totally useless thread. ;D
 

AusDoc

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The totally useless thread => Interrupted again :)

Here is a problem to exercise your little grey cells. (That's Poirot talk for get you thinking.)

There are two trading methods. One provides the path to great success and unimaginable wealth. The other merely looks like it provides the path to success but in reality will lead to frustration, failure and poverty.

There are two traders, one to promote and teach each method. The traders know one another well. They know each others' methods and their outcomes and they know each others' character.

One trader really wants you to succeed and will always tell the truth and give you good advice. The other trader looks just as good but in reality only wants to satisfy his own needs and, having failed in trading, wants to make sure everyone else fails too. This trader may smile sweetly but will always lie.

You have been bitten by the trading bug and are desperately keen to find a successful method and a reliable mentor. You have been around long enough to know trading can be dangerous and that not everyone can be trusted.

You join FXGears trading forum (of course, where else would you look for quality advice) and are told about the two methods. Before you get too excited that wowser AusDoc tells you to calm down and think. He helpfully reminds you that things are not always what they seem to be. You don't want to listen of course and hope he will just fall off his perch but he patiently persists until you fully understand the risks and are clear that one of the traders always lies, though one of them always tells the truth.

No problem you think, I'm quite capable of finding my own way forward. Anyway, I can sort out these jokers with some questions, they can't fool me. Just then, Big Jack arrives. He's the boss. He makes the rules. Now you have a problem. Jack says you are only permitted to talk to one of the traders. What's more, you are only permitted to ask one single question and then you must take action and do what that trader says. Gulp. It gets worse. You must phrase your question so that it can be answered with one word, either yes or no.

Can you find your way forward to trading success?

What exactly is the one question you would ask and why would you be confident enough to risk everything on it?
 

AusDoc

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No takers?

If you have read the above post then you are already able to learn something, whether it's how to think, how to approach problem solving or what type of person you are.

It may well be that the last point is the most important. If you're brave enough and mature enough and smart enough, think about that. Be honest with yourself. What can you learn about yourself based on how you responded to the post above that invites you to exercise your little grey cells?

It is widely held that trading is as good as psychotherapy for learning about yourself. In many cases that can certainly be true. If you resist, the process will take longer and be less effective. Embrace every opportunity you find to reflect on you and engage in productive self-discovery. This is not an exercise in pop-psychology, endless navel gazing or reckless toying with serious psychopathology. It is a way to focus on active growth and development that can help you in trading and generally in life.

Engage :)
 

AusDoc

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Genome Wide Analysis Reveals Genetic Similarities Among Friends

Researchers from the University of California, San Diego, and Yale University, writing in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, reveal that those people we choose for lifelong friendships often show striking genetic similarities to ourselves. By studying 1.5 million genetic markers in a population of 1,932 subjects, and after controlling for ancestry, the researchers determined that close friends are often as genetically “similar” as fourth cousins, or people who share great-great-great-grandparents. This research is a fascinating new look at a potential genetic effect on decision making.

Source: Patrick Cox, Tech Digest, 19 July 2014

How about that, we choose our friends because we share some genes. 8)
 

jack

Administrator
Staff member
Re: The totally useless thread => Interrupted again :)

AusDoc said:
Here is a problem to exercise your little grey cells. (That's Poirot talk for get you thinking.)

There are two trading methods. One provides the path to great success and unimaginable wealth. The other merely looks like it provides the path to success but in reality will lead to frustration, failure and poverty.

There are two traders, one to promote and teach each method. The traders know one another well. They know each others' methods and their outcomes and they know each others' character.

One trader really wants you to succeed and will always tell the truth and give you good advice. The other trader looks just as good but in reality only wants to satisfy his own needs and, having failed in trading, wants to make sure everyone else fails too. This trader may smile sweetly but will always lie.

You have been bitten by the trading bug and are desperately keen to find a successful method and a reliable mentor. You have been around long enough to know trading can be dangerous and that not everyone can be trusted.

You join FXGears trading forum (of course, where else would you look for quality advice) and are told about the two methods. Before you get too excited that wowser AusDoc tells you to calm down and think. He helpfully reminds you that things are not always what they seem to be. You don't want to listen of course and hope he will just fall off his perch but he patiently persists until you fully understand the risks and are clear that one of the traders always lies, though one of them always tells the truth.

No problem you think, I'm quite capable of finding my own way forward. Anyway, I can sort out these jokers with some questions, they can't fool me. Just then, Big Jack arrives. He's the boss. He makes the rules. Now you have a problem. Jack says you are only permitted to talk to one of the traders. What's more, you are only permitted to ask one single question and then you must take action and do what that trader says. Gulp. It gets worse. You must phrase your question so that it can be answered with one word, either yes or no.

Can you find your way forward to trading success?

What exactly is the one question you would ask and why would you be confident enough to risk everything on it?

Big Jack would ask: "Which trader would the other guy tell you to follow?"

The liar would say himself. The truthful one would say the liar.
 

AusDoc

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Big Jack would ask: "Which trader would the other guy tell you to follow?"

The liar would say himself. The truthful one would say the liar.
Great work Jack, you are so close it isn't funny. :thumbsup:

What you have said is correct. There is just one small but key missing piece. Given your insights, what would you do?
 

jack

Administrator
Staff member
AusDoc said:
Great work Jack, you are so close it isn't funny. :thumbsup:

What you have said is correct. There is just one small but key missing piece. Given your insights, what would you do?
Me as 'Big Jack', or me as the aspiring trader in your riddle?
 

AusDoc

Well-Known Member
Jack said:
Me as 'Big Jack', or me as the aspiring trader in your riddle?
...as the aspiring trader :)

Just looking for the essential logic that demonstrates the right choice. You have already resolved the need to cancel risk by using one trader's known insight into the other as a way to establish certainty. That's fantastic.

You may think you have already given the answer by your explanation and I'm not quibbling over how you have framed the response, except for this one key statement. Given what you now know and have already explained, what would you do to ensure you chose the correct trader?

I don't mean to be pedantic, but I can be pretty exacting... >:D

You said: "Which trader would the other guy tell you to follow?"

Framed in terms of the challenge requirement (from Big Javk no less ;) ) this could be expressed as: [addressing either trader]

Would the other trader advise me to follow you? [eliciting our yes or no answer]

You got this far, so now, based on the trader's reply, what would you do?
 

jack

Administrator
Staff member
Ohh..

Yeah, I'd go with the opposite of whoever the trader mentions, as they'd be the truthful trader worth learning from (seeing as the question would make the liar respond with 'himself' as the answer, and the truthful trader respond that the lair would pick himself.

Then I'd probably question why no one, especially the good/truthful trader, has called the bad trader out on his bullshit.. :p
 

AusDoc

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Jack said:
Yeah, I'd go with the opposite of whoever the trader mentions, ...
Bingo!

*** C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S ***

Great work Jack, got it to a T. :)

So, did you work it out by following the logic or recognise the problem from its generic form?
 

Ramy3

May the pips be with you!
Jack said:
Then I'd probably question why no one, especially the good/truthful trader, has called the bad trader out on his bullshit.. :p
Because it's futile, people believe who they want to believe. The good ones usually (if not always) get bashed in by disbelievers and/or naysayers, the rest follow like little sheep.

Waste of time…

All the best.

Oh, and some moderators delete “offensive..” stuff. :p
 

Ramy3

May the pips be with you!
I would not believe either is. One is passing the ball and the other one is looking for attention.“Show me the money” is my saying. No numbers, no following.

Unless one does not plan to share, then he will not be teaching either… So many players/liars out there.

If i was to invest time and effort in someone’s sayings, i would at a minimum ask to see the light at the end of the tunnel first.

End of story.
 

AusDoc

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Jack said:
Then I'd probably question why no one, especially the good/truthful trader, has called the bad trader out on his bullshit.. :p
lol... good one ;)

No doubt the good trader tried, but nobody listened. :(

1. If you tell people what they want to hear, they always listen. Even when it's a lie.
2. If you tell people what they need to hear, they sometimes listen.
3. If you tell people what they don't want to hear, they never listen. Even when it's a truth.

It is from 1 above that we derive "if it's too good to be true, it's a lie" but we know how that ends for many people.
 

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