IG vs Forex Ltd


foreigner

Est. 12480 Hours and Counting
Make no mistake people, this is what we're up against..

Top chart is IG index bottom chart is Forex Ltd.



Thought you were safe selling the second test of the LO high with a 30 pip stop? think again..
 

jack

Administrator
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While both are market makers (which is not a bad thing in itself, but does explain part of the price difference) I'm not surprised that IG is worse off here.

The kicker: MT4 prints charts based on the 'bid' price only. If you were to short, like in your example, the 'ask' quote would be what triggers your stop, so potentially both brokers could have stopped you out depending on how wide the spread was during that spike up.
 

TommyL

Member
IG Index are famous for that behaviour.

I use Alpari (UK) and would recommend them to anyone. The spreads stay fair, even during news events and I never worry they are going to gun a few pips higher or lower to take my stops.
 

jack

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Staff member
Yeah, perhaps you should look for a broker that uses an agency model (DMA, ECN, STP, insert your marketing acronym of choice..) instead of IG.

There are some good market markers / dealing desk brokers out there, but it doesn't appear that you're using one. :p
 

foreigner

Est. 12480 Hours and Counting
Re: IG vs Oanda vs Forex Ltd

For those that are new, take a look at my previous post in particular the "incomplete" candle on the IG platform!

Its clear that some Spread betting brokers 'blockout' OTE retrace zones on their platform preventing price from reaching the level effectively reducing the number of good entries and lowering our probability of success, I wish I knew this 2 years ago..

Below, Three Charts Three Different Stories..

Forex Ltd tests the 4hr orderblock and 618 but not the old high.

Oanda avoids the orderblock and 618 and somehow adds a 4hr candle and tests the old high.

And good old IG misses the mark altogether.

 

Tansen

Well-Known Member
Re: IG vs Oanda vs Forex Ltd

foreigner said:
For those that are new, take a look at my previous post in particular the "incomplete" candle on the IG platform!

Its clear that some Spread betting brokers 'blockout' OTE retrace zones on their platform preventing price from reaching the level effectively reducing the number of good entries and lowering our probability of success, I wish I knew this 2 years ago..

Below, Three Charts Three Different Stories..

Forex Ltd tests the 4hr orderblock and 618 but not the old high.

Oanda avoids the orderblock and 618 and somehow adds a 4hr candle and tests the old high.

And good old IG misses the mark altogether.

Interesting... with that said though at the same time Oanda has filled me for very dumb prices ignoring the spread and giving me something several pips away to hit my stop during non-news non-volatile hours... then again there was one time it literally gave me the market price for some reason lol. It was a USD/CAD trade and I showed Jack the position I took he said price NEVER touched it and if you looked at the Oanda feed it was to the pip as in it literally ignored the spread and gave me the price they get it at.
 

jack

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Staff member
Re: IG vs Oanda vs Forex Ltd

Tansen said:
Interesting... with that said though at the same time Oanda has filled me for very dumb prices ignoring the spread and giving me something several pips away to hit my stop during non-news non-volatile hours... then again there was one time it literally gave me the market price for some reason lol. It was a USD/CAD trade and I showed Jack the position I took he said price NEVER touched it and if you looked at the Oanda feed it was to the pip as in it literally ignored the spread and gave me the price they get it at.
It was "high tick", not an off market fill.

The market did touch your order's limit price, but only once, and right down to a few pipettes (1/10th of a pip) your limit order was set to. So the 'near impossible fill' was more about getting a fill where price pretty much never went against you, and you couldn't have set it any further away and still gotten filled. It just ran up, filled your short, and then ran down for you by 100+ pips.

Getting the 'high tick' or 'low tick' is just an uncommon thing. Usually people who get trades like that aren't trying for it, it just happens.
 

Tansen

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Re: IG vs Oanda vs Forex Ltd

Jack said:
It was "high tick", not an off market fill.

The market did touch your order's limit price, but only once, and right down to a few pipettes (1/10th of a pip) your limit order was set to. So the 'near impossible fill' was more about getting a fill where price pretty much never went against you, and you couldn't have set it any further away and still gotten filled. It just ran up, filled your short, and then ran down for you by 100+ pips.

Getting the 'high tick' or 'low tick' is just an uncommon thing. Usually people who get trades like that aren't trying for it, it just happens.
Yeah but Oanda's spread on USD/CAD is that of 2-3 at times, to me that's a miracle to be right on the money.
Maybe Oanda loves me?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0
 

foreigner

Est. 12480 Hours and Counting
Jack said:
Slightly off topic:
http://fxgears.com/forum/index.php/topic,253.0.html
There are two broker scams that can be seen in the charts;

1. Stop Raids where the broker will push pricing 10 pips or more further than the interbank rate.

2. Optimal Entry Blocking where the broker will prevent price from entering optimal trade zones.

From what Ive seen Forex ltd's pricing is more accurate than IG, Oanda, Alpari and fxcm.

Also its worth mentioning that your video is about forex.com not Forex Ltd which is a UK broker.
 

jack

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Staff member
foreigner said:
Also its worth mentioning that your video is about forex.com not Forex Ltd which is a UK broker.
Whoops, my mistake. Was just trying to lighten the mood.
 

foreigner

Est. 12480 Hours and Counting
Jack said:
Whoops, my mistake. Was just trying to lighten the mood.
Lighten the mood?! are you fucking serious? have you ever made any real money in life? I mean anything? Do you know what its like to be swindled out of your hard earned cash by the so called mentors and brokers in this business? Have you considered how many people are not lucky enough to have stumbled across this website before its too late?

I would say, at the very least, its the responsibility of the administrators of these websites to make newbie traders aware of the scams, This should be on the front page instead of that useless disclaimer, but no its all about "lightening the mood"?!

Get serious man, then if you want to lighten the mood watch this;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb1HrBCVOCU
 

jack

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Staff member
foreigner said:
Lighten the mood?! are you fucking serious? have you ever made any real money in life? I mean anything? Do you know what its like to be swindled out of your hard earned cash by the so called mentors and brokers in this business? Have you considered how many people are not lucky enough to have stumbled across this website before its too late?

I would say, at the very least, its the responsibility of the administrators of these websites to make newbie traders aware of the scams, This should be on the front page instead of that useless disclaimer, but no its all about "lightening the mood"?!

Get serious man, then if you want to lighten the mood watch this;)
Easy there... it was just something I thought was funny. If you noticed earlier, I did agree with you and suggest alternatives in this thread and the other one you started.

I'm also considering putting up a quick guide to help people sort out bad brokers.. I'm just trying to figure out how best to present it, since most sites claiming to do just that are really marketing pages in disguise and I don't wish to come off that way. (Actually, maybe that's something you'd like to contribute to?)
 

foreigner

Est. 12480 Hours and Counting
Its tricky, from what Ive seen a broker can start out ok then "adapt" his system. Profitable traders will always be the focus, so capital preservation should be top of the list in my opinion.

Id love to help out in this area.
 

foreigner

Est. 12480 Hours and Counting
Re: IG

Today IG slipped me 20 pips from my stop loss!

I was using an EA and MT4 to execute a stop order at market, IG just ignored my attempts to close the trade, even after price had consolidated around the stop level!

I couldnt even close the trade manually!

I contacted IG and after a couple more tries I managed to close the position, they said "well, it did go a couple of pips in your favor before you closed it" Ye funny that..

What with this and the previous issues as detailed in this thread, I definitely wont be using them again.
 

foreigner

Est. 12480 Hours and Counting
IG have just announced lower charges for guaranteed stops! YEAY!!

So now theyre going to charge you less to not rip you off. BONUS!!

In my experience slippage is not the problem with IG, its price feed manipulation and ignoring your exit orders altogether.

As soon as your on the back foot they will kick you when your down, absolutely despicable. You have been warned.
 

Alpha-Bet

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