Fibonacci's Or At Least How I Use Them...
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brians1128
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Judas swing false breakout at london open set the stage for a retest of 1.3399 high, with price taking that out looking for nyo to mirror direction and retest monthly high
reference swing low to swing high being built going into nyo draw fib
reference swing low to swing high being built going into nyo draw fib
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GdayFx said:
Tx Gday a nice addition to my ICT note book
In addition if I recall ICT mentions the 4.23 level as a maximum target in some videos.
I also think that ICT mentions the 90% retracement level as a make or break point on a judas swing or turtle soup false breakout on the 1hr or higher. You might want to consider that when placing stoploss on pending orders.
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jinirav75 said:
When setting the fib levels on MT4, if you put "-0.42" it draws the extension on the other side of the fib.
It is just how I prefer to draw my extensions, by pulling the fib from the opposite direction. The math is the same either way.
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rod178 said:
If you want to get technical the level is 1.425
0.618
0.786
OTE = (0.618 + 0.786)/2 = 0.702
1/0.702 = 1.425
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the golden gun said:
Only if one believes that the numbers hold some special 'almost magical' significance.
My take is that they only have meaning due to some traders believing that they do. It follows that they may also be used to hunt liquidity. Fib traders would mostly be on the wrong side of that action.
imho fibs are useful in that they draw attention to the (more meaning) levels of supply and demand. Other than that they are mostly useful as a 'rough' retracement/extension tool. They fail, as often as thet work. Many of the useful numbers used with Fib tools are not even Fib numbers eg 50 and 200. Also, different Fib retracementss often seem to work best with different pairs at different seasonal (or what ever) times.
Fibonacci Trading
www.learncurrencytradingonline.com/Fibonacci-Trading.html
"Leonardo Fibonacci was a brilliant Italian mathematician who lived in the 13th century and is known worldwide for his Fibonacci number sequence which has become very popular with FOREX traders. FOREX traders use the numbers, to calculate Fibonacci retracement levels and look to gain better market timing for their trades by using them. Let's look at Fibonacci FOREX trading methods in more detail.
The Fibonacci Number Sequence
The Fibonacci sequence was first printed in the Liber Abaci, written by Leonardo Fibonacci in the year 1202. The book introduced Hindu-Arabic numerals to replace Roman nuerla sequence and was created to solve a mathematical problem which was:
How many pairs of rabbits can be produced from one single pair, if each month each pair produces a new pair, which, from the second month, starts producing more rabbits?
The sequence to solve the above problem is a series of numbers where each number is the sum of the two preceding numbers so we have - 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13 and so on
After the first few numbers of the sequence though, the ratio of any number in relation to the next higher number is approximately .618, and the lower number is 1.618.
The Golden Mean and Golden Ratio
These two figures represent the golden mean, or the golden ratio and there are several examples of the Golden Ratio which can be seen throughout the natural world. For example, Sunflowers, have opposing spirals of seeds which have a 1.618 ratio between there diameters, In a beehive, if you divide the number of female bees by the number of male bees you will get a ratio of approximately 1.618. This same ratio can also be seen in many other areas of the natural world from snail shells, to DNA molecules.
Now let's look at how traders use this sequence of numbers in FOREX trading.
Fibonacci Trading Using the Number Sequence
In FOREX trading the Fibonacci ratios derived from this sequence of numbers is important i.e: .236, .50, .382, .618, etc. These numbers give Fibonacci retracement levels which traders use to define support or resistance in the market.
The two Fibonacci percentage retracement levels considered the most important are: 38.2% and 62.8%. Other retracement levels used by FX traders are: 75%, 50%, and 33%.
Do Fibonacci Numbers and Retracements Work?
When Leonardo Fibonacci created the number sequence, it had nothing to do with FOREX! I think he would be surprised to find that his numbers have been applied to an area for which they were never intended. It's amazing, that the idea these numbers can be applied to FOREX trading is believed by so many traders. This is no disrespect to Leonardo Fibonacci who was a brilliant thinker.
So why are the numbers not an effective FOREX trading tool?
Sometimes they will hold but for a figure to reflect natural order they should hold all the time and they don't. In fact, you can pick any retracement you like and that will work sometimes too. The Fibonacci number sequence is supposed to work because its based on mathematical order but FOREX markets don't move to mathematics and that's a fact.
It's all very mystical, and appeals to the far out investment community or naïve traders, who think there is some hidden order to market movement but of course, there isn't a hidden order. Currency trading involves uncertainty and that's what makes a market move NOT natural order.
Fibonacci was a great thinker but is Fibonacci trading going to help you enjoy trading success? I personally don't think so and I am sure if Fibonacci was alive today, he would probably agree with me."
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Oh, so going to the 3rd decimal is suddenly "too detailed"?
Then why did you type out 1.418?
The math of fibonacci makes it very clear that 0.618 is the "golden" ratio. Magic or not, the math is accurate and precise. And if you want to use tools, why not use the most accurate tools available, by inputting the correct math.
Then why did you type out 1.418?
The math of fibonacci makes it very clear that 0.618 is the "golden" ratio. Magic or not, the math is accurate and precise. And if you want to use tools, why not use the most accurate tools available, by inputting the correct math.
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the golden gun said:
The reason is that I have some prexisting tools that use 3 decimal places and cannot be bothered recoding. Habit.
There is nothing golden about the Golden Ratio, unless one is studying Sunflowers, Snails etc. Fib Trading is just on step away from Astro. A sometimes useful tool it is, althouh 618 is as useful as 600 or 660.